Why were the Drake, Tengu, and Hurricane the only small gang PvP ships?

BAZINGA. Trick question. Got you. They aren't the only small gang ships. Plenty of people run small gangs with other ships in their fleets as well.

I think part of the purpose behind balancing them is to remove the stigma that certain ships are the only ones to use for small gang/large gang/random gang warfare and to allow for a greater spread. I may not fly a hurricane since retribution (buffer armor canes are crap/less cool now) but I still fly ships. Adapt or give me your stuff?

I'm sorry that your orca swapping was nerfed and that you're apparently getting taken to the ownzone by 2 month old players in T1 cruisers, but the blame does not lie with whatever external entity you attribute your own failures to.

You know how I'd approach bringing up the topic of overbuffed T1 logistics for discussion? It doesn't involve ranting and accusing CCP of working for Goonswarm. Unless you honestly believe that we've ever had problems fielding dozens of T2 logis in our fleets (hint: we don't) or reimbursing them (hint: we most definitely don't)

Ed: Also, Petrus... this thread is most unlike you guys. Seriously, it's just ******* stupid.

I'm pretty sure that no amount of Drake love can excuse the random crap you guys are spewing all up in this thread. But while we're on the topic: why can't you use the Drake now? I'm seeing it being 20m/s slower with the same tank and more DPS. What's the problem?

-Liang

What I don't get is they nerfed the dual neut cane into the ground because it was "unbalanced" then tweaked the cyclone so it can do 600dps with dual neuts with plenty of mobility and serviceable tank (and in the hands of the right pilot will utterly destroy a cane 1v1 due to being able to apply full dps from enough range the cane is losing dps to falloff)... really don't see the need to nerf the cane down as far as they have.

-- HAM Drake --

what you are saying is that kiting nano ships (which are virtually zero risk if flown with a bare minimum of competency) are the epitome of elite pvp.

also that picking on soft targets (stragglers, fleets without recons or logistics, ...) makes you good at pvp.

hearing you loud & clear.

Truly. 10/10

The hurricane was one of the most broken ships in the game specifically because it was laughably easy to fit. Apparently CCP meant it to be an artillery platform, so its AC variations had a ludicrous amount of grid with which to fit largest guns + heaviest tank + dual medium neuts. On top of that, it was as fast as a cruiser with virtually no drawback to being so. If you wanted to pick a ship which was ruining small pvp by overshadowing most of the alternatives, the hurricane would be a good choice.

And it's hardly ruined. It's received a minor agility nerf, lost a bit of utility, and now you have to think about what you put on it and why you want those 425mm ACs rather than 220mms.

I always thought a lot of good things about the Rifterlings, but you just make yourself look bad.

I hope i'm just missing something, but from my perspective it looks like you're whining about having
lost your overpowered ships. And they were overpowered. There's a reason why people used them so much.
It's because they want easy play and not a challenge.

Now you act like the only thing combat is is pressing F1-F8 and hitting orbit/keep at range,
as if YOU were one of the carebears not knowing any better.

Your posts **** me off. I thought better of you. The only thought that now comes up reading your posts is:

Stop whining, noob.
Thanks.

Got a lol out of this. Please continue.

I'm actually waiting for this - back pedaling is the most sincere form of admitting defeat.

no need to respond

I didn't notice it at first because of who introduced the thread, but this thread is not actually about battlecruisers.

-Liang

Like it or don't, and I'm a little PO'd myself, it still had to be done. Have a large alcoholic beverage to salute the "Days of Yore" and get over it.

So the Cane and the Drake are replaced by the Cyclone and the Brutix. Same vicious cycle, over and again. The Cane will probably survive, but this will probably spell obsolesence for the Drake. Oh, it can still tank, but what little DPS it had has been nerfed, so it might as well be shelved. What's funny is that people hated it's tank, not it's damage dealing potential, which was barely adequate anyways after the missile nerf.

CCP can't even break their own stuff correctly. *shrugs*

Long live the Cyclone and Brutix.